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Is it wrong that I still have a tiny hope that Logan will leave Neptune?
If RT's "glorious" L/V finish is really that scene where Logan "becomes" Aaron and Veronica tells him so -- or just looks aghast -- then yeah, that's my hope, too.
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JaneDtwo |
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Quote: If RT's "glorious" L/V finish is really that scene where Logan "becomes" Aaron and Veronica tells him so -- or just looks aghast -- then yeah, that's my hope, too. |
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sunworshipper |
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New tidbit from TV Guide (via TWoP):
Quote: Hmm, probably this is the guy who records the sex tape for the Castle. "Frell me dead." |
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PolarTruckin |
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Yeah, it's probably someone from The Castle following him. It's not stalking Wallace, it's just selective walking! But I ask you, if they have someone tracking his movements couldn't they just figure out his schedule that way??? This makes the sex tape even more lame because the camera was supposedly place to track Wallace's comings and goings. But if they have someone following him it seems kinda pointless and obviously contrived. Not that it wasn't already.
You know what's funny? Every time someone says The Castle I think of this Australian film about how the home is a man's castle: quaint little suburban comedy full of Australian cliches. It has nothing to do with VM, of course, but it just makes this secret society all the less threatening to me. I mean, they sound "cute" rather than intimidating because my mind goes somewhere else automatically every time the name comes up. Heh. |
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sunworshipper |
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Maybe the camera is just to alert the stalker when to be ready to follow Wallace when he leaves his dorm.
OT: "The Castle", isn't Anthony Simcoe (D'Argo from Farscape) in that film? Never seen it myself. "Frell me dead." |
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Tigereyes320 |
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I saw the preview for next week, I'm still feeling nauseated by what I saw.
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Elehick |
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Is the preview online yet ??
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CatherineBruce |
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OT again!
Quote: If its the same movie, then yup! Never seen it meself. =D Back on topic, I'm kinda interested to see how the next couple of episodes go. I saw the preview, too, and my evil bone's been tickled. -
![]() There's no love like Nose Love! (Bah! My next banner is totally saying 'Nose Porn.') I cannot be the only person who thinks that Logan Echolls is a total Scaper! |
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JaneDtwo |
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This freaking sucks.
We now have the Dicks acknowledging the unacknowledged: Cassidy. And we will have Dick apologizing to Mac. And we know what we will never get: Anyone acknowledging Logan. Or thanking him for saving Veronica's life. Before 3.18, I had this faint hope that Keith would say something in defence of Logan to Veronica. Yeah, that's out of the window. And Veronica saying "thank you"? Forget it. So, everyone is getting their due. Piss is a catch. Wallace is a sought after Castle material. Veronica is embraced by suddenly-stupid FBI. Even Dick has some kind of closure and recognition from his dad. And Logan? Dissed by the father of the girl he loves and whose life he saved. Dumped by her (and by his rebound girlfriend). Forced to watch a sex tape of her and her new boy-toy. Tries to defend her to only be told to get out of her life for good. Still tries to defend her and apologizes to the new boy-toy. Compared to his psycho killer father... I'm thinking, at this rate, the last scene with Logan (if the one where he has to apologize to Piss isn't the last) is him being beat up into a bloody pulp by a bunch of Castle lackies. It's a "call-back" to the end of season 1, don't you see? RT is all about recycling these days. Glorious. |
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PolarTruckin |
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I know. It's like Logan is the only character they really don't care about giving any kind of closure too. Or any kind of hope. It's the Kick Logan hour every hour on the hour. I can't take it any more. And they know he has a lot of fans so it really does feel like a kick in the teeth to the Logan fans who managed to stick it out this long through the character assassination (and I admit, there aren't many of us).
And Veronica is so self centred! Errrgh. It's like she doesn't even know how she treats people, nor does she care. Everyone has to treat her with respect like she's a pretty princess and put her feelings first but she just doesn't show any of the same concern. Why did I like her? Why? I have no idea. I honesly HATE it that all her dreams are coming true. She has the perfect boyfriend who will sacrifice his internship for her because she's SO SUPER even though they've only been together for a week. She has a dad that lets her get away with everything unless he deigns to frown at her a bit. She passes the PI exam, she gets into the FBI internship. Struggling through life my ass! I don't sympathise with her at all any more because she is not getting any comeuppance from her behaviour and yet she's dolling out these throwaway Logan-insults with all her friends like he deserves that. Why can't she be going through the same passive aggressive crap for being a work-obsessed robot and a terrible, selfish surfer? I know I find workaholic people who avoid expressing emotion and go through life like a robot terrible people. Because of how they treat their loved ones. But apparently she's just never going to be called on this crap. Sure, Wallace brings stuff up to protect Piz but then Logan still gets no respect and he had to put up with it for so much longer. And she actually DID treat Logan badly; she's not treating Piz badly (the worry over summer activities is stupid and lame because they only just started dating, I don't consider that her treating Piz bad). Then, even better, she gets to be a huge hypocrite AGAIN. Says Logan is "just like that", won't think of his girlfriends. Even though she went away to New York without thinking of him once and he didn't say a thing other than a week will feel like a month. That BASTARD. He was also the only one between the two of them that gave a damn that they probably weren't going to see each other after season two (in only he'd known how much better his life would have been if she'd actually gone to Stanford - someone write that fanfic STAT!). Veronica hadn't even thought about it and was all happy she'd never have to see anyone from Neptune High again. Whhheeeee! Now she's doing the same thing again with Piz. All happy, not thinking about him, because her feelings are the only ones that matter. God, why did I ever like this character??? She is such a hypocrite that I cringe when she speaks. Honestly, that's the worst character trait to have on a cult show with fans that remember everything. And I remember EVERYTHING you freakin hypocrite. The hypocrisy probably wouldn't nettle so much if she'd get a freakin clue and actually recognize this about herself but she doesn't. It's like realizing Piz likes her. I was honestly shocked that they didn't have her go: "What? Piz likes me?" in this recent episode. Doesn't she have to do that in EVERY EPISODE? Suddenly realize he likes her! And then forget instantly. It's just like that with her behaviour and prickly character traits. "Perhaps I should treat people better," is the standard teflon epiphany. I honestly am angry that she's getting everything she wants with no obstacles. No one questioned anything with her getting into the FBI internship program, she passed the PI exam with flying colours. Everything is swell and she doesn't have to struggle for everything, but it's still well within her rights to trample the people she uses. Oh yeah. I so don't care about her any more. All I care about is that the ONE character who I have consistently loved is going to be torn to pieces and get not a spec of hope for his future in either family life, love or ambition. Thanks for the memories ROb, I'll be scarred for life and I will try never to love a character like I loved Logan again. Because I've never felt so screwed over by a show before. I'm sick of the Logan pin cushion and, yeah, I agree the LLL/GuySpy spoilers don't have much credence to me now. Logan is by no means the hero of the last five as he's been nothing but trash in the previous three and he's going psycho and abused emotionally even more next week. Also the Mac/Max thing did come to pass so . . . I can't even look forward to Logan exiting the show with any dignity. God Rob is such an asshole for doing this. It's his last season and he works this shallow, two-dimensional character into the show to make Veronica happy because he's so fairy floss and uncomplicated and worships her so much she never feels pressured to do anything. Like, I don't know, be emotionally present in the relationship. He refuses to let Logan get his snark on, or enjoy life in any way. Hell, he lets Dick be more proactive about living. I mean . . . what? Everybody is getting something out of these last two episodes except Logan. Do you suppose they really will have him leave? Because I would consider that Logan getting something. Freedom is priceless after all. Veronica can do whatever the hell she likes as long as she's nowhere near Logan because I honestly can't stand to look at her at the moment and with the way her character is going, I don't see that changing in the finale, especially not when we know she just hurts him more. |
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JaneDtwo |
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Quote: At least last season there were things she didn't get. She didn't get the Kane scholarship (and yeah, they made it so it wasn't because she wasn't good enough, but still). She didn't get to go to Stanford (again, because of the money, but at least she didn't get to go. Though I am baffled as to why she just didn't do what most people do: take out partial loans and work for the rest). She didn't win the Woody Goodman essay contest (though they tried to make it seem like it was because Logan cheated. Right, because quoting a movie in the opening paragraph makes up an entire essay! Snort.). Yes, she was getting recognition -- Hearts offered her a full ride, she was accepted at Stanford, and what the hell was that loud cheering at the graduation all about? When did she become popular? -- but she was getting some setbacks, too. This year she just skates. She apparently managed to put in 2,000 working, billable hours necessary to get a PI licence in the state of California. She clearly gets good enough grades (it doesn't matter that the only class we saw her in is Criminology. We just KNOW she is an all-around swell). She works in the library, and didn't they take her back at the newspaper, too, after Nish was ousted? And she works cases on a weekly basis. And goes to concerts, lectures and art shows. And hangs out with her friends, presumably, at some point. And dispenses advice. And she reads books in bed with her boyfriend while her doting father is watching.... It's official, she is a Cylon. Quote: At this point, I would absolutely love it if they will. Which almost certainly means they won't. Honestly? I think it ends for Logan with that scene where he beats up guy #2, apologizes to Piss, and then gets bitched out by horrified and disgusted Veronica. Whether the Aaron comparison is verbalized or not. Or else, he beats up the guy #2, apologizes to Piss and leaves. And then there's one other scene after that where Veronica finds him and bitches him out with horror and disgust. I have a nightmare of him standing there, his eyes pained, his shoulders slumped, his attitude defeated. Glorious. And that's the last Logan scene, and we go on to Veronica being confronted by someone (if that's even on the table anymore, considering how previous LLL/GuySpy so-called spoilers didn't at all play out) on her general bitchiness -- not about Logan, mind you, just in general. And then she is upset and distraught about how harsh she were with Piss, by not including him in her summer plans or something. And how she didn't support her daddy enough. I don't know. I could be wrong, but considering the complete lack of recognition, gratitude, dignity, support or understanding Logan got in the last half of this season, I am not holding my breath. |
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MarsBarz88 |
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Didn't RT say in his interview with Kristin V. that Veronica ends the season, "on a note of discontent"?
Maybe they're just trying to make Veronica's life seem 'perfect' before they throw us a curveball and have her happy little life come crashing down. I'm sure that would make some people happy. I think she needs a reality check. As for Logan's last scene, maybe we should just wait to see what happens. All of this talk about V yelling at him is making me want to cry. If that happens I think that Logan might take a jump off of the Coranado (sp?) bridge. Hopefully, V will realize the error of her ways and see that Logan was, once again, just trying to protect her, after he hears about the whole sex tape incident. By the way, sex tape? De ja vu anyone? Didn't we already have a storyline like that? Isn't it a little soon to start recycling storylines? Oh well, hopefully its not actually a sex tape. I can only hope that Piss is somehow responsible for the vid. |
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JaneDtwo |
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Quote: It's going to be all about recycling, sadly. Sex tape? Check. Fake IDs? Check. Secret society ala Tritons? Check. Sheriff's election manipulated and messed with? Check. Veronica humiliated and taunted by other students again? Check. And probably a lot more. Oh, and it is actually a sex tape. Otherwise it won't do as a blackmail material. Who cares about two college students making out? Though, I must say, who cares about a college-aged girl having sex with her boyfriend? She is legal, the boyfriend is age-appropriate, they are in college, and they are not married to other people. Apart from sheer embarassment of having your daughter's sexcapades splashed all over the net, I don't see why this should be an impediment to Keith's election. And Piss will not be responsible. Unless there's some major cheap twist at the very, very end that we don't yet know about. Piss is as pure as a driven snow. **** And on another sad note: Piss is getting apologies! From Logan, no less. When Veronica accused Logan of killing Lilly and got him arrested and then didn't stop Weevil from going after him, did Logan get an apology? From anyone? Veronica? Weevil? Beuler? Urgh. **** And another thing: Veronica and Piss cuddling in front of beamind Daddy Mars? Lounging in Veronica's bed? Like two monkeys in a zoo checking each other's bangs for flees? Keith in "Not Pictured": "I was a little surprised to find, you know, Logan on the couch, but it was better than finding him elsewhere, right?" Right, Keith. Because that only applies to Logan. That lecture Veronica gave Logan the one and only time he was invited over for dinner? "No jokes, no mentioning of seeing me naked, or having touched any part of my body that doesn't have fingers?" Clearly, this also only applies to Logan. Veronica has issues, alright. But they magically disappear once Logan is not in the picture. |
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MarsBarz88 |
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Quote: To me, the fact that she's acting so out of character means that her relationship with Piz isn't deep or meaningful at all. And you're right, Veronica does have issues and they're still there, they're not going to just disappear. She's just avoiding her issues, especially her issue trusting people. One way or another, those issues are going to come back and she's going to have to deal with them, and I don't think that Piz could handle it. It just seems like the Veronica that he knows is a different person and when she shows her true colors, which she will hence the title "The Bitch Is Back" I hope she realizes that Logan was the only one that tolerated her and her crazy trust issues. |
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moviewhore |
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Can someone please explain the whole point of LoVe? I'm also very confused-she never told Logan she loved him and in fact acts like she has no real feelings for him at all yet we saw her crying in the shower after Logan broke up with her? Why was she crying anyway? I would think that she'd be glad to not be with him since she obviously thinks he's pond scum. She never said anything good about Logan or appreciated him saving her life a million fucking times. And now her dad is treating Logan like shit too. Lovely, but I guess that's Logan's whole reason for existing is to be a punching bag for everyone including the milkman.
Veronica called Logan selfish? Oh my God, what a hypocritical bitch she is. My hate for her grows and grows. Actually, it's a lot like caffeine-I just think of her and I'm charged for the day. Logan is probably the most UNSELFISH character on the show who ALWAYS put Veronica first every time, much to the detriment of his wellbeing and happiness. All he ever wanted was to keep Veronica safe and happy. He was the one doing all the loving, not her. I still want Logan to be out of Neptune so he can save himself and find happiness. The low ratings are glorious. That means this mess of a show will be over soon and JD will be free at last. |
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samwg |
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I think the original point of LoVe was just to set up Veronica's discovery of Aaron's violence and the sex cams so she could solve Lilly's murder, right? Remember, RT's original idea for "romance" on this show WAS the VD storyline: possible siblings, rape that's not rape, abandoned her the morning after because he couldn't stop loving her. Switching the OTP to Logan and Veronica doesn't fix Rob's seriously twisted ideas about what makes for a good love story.
I honestly didn't think Rob could have screwed up LV this much after the first season. I held out through the VD'ness because I knew LV would reunite at one point and I thought he couldn't screw it up that much. But, really, now I wish I had just trusted my gut and abandoned all hope when RT teased that either Logan or Duncan would be at the door. Anyone who thinks Duncan was even a viable option for a boyfriend after ATttD (especially that soon after ATttD, while her boyfriend is on up on the ledge of the Coronado bridge) is severely unhinged, IMO. FWIW, Veronica NEVER calls Logan selfish. It's kind of implied, I think, but a lot of people had different takes on that scene. Some people thought she was just saying he's kind of oblivious or maybe not Mr. Sensitive, but not necessarily a bad guy. And I think a big point of the rest of the episode was that Veronica herself was equally oblivious, and definately not Ms. Sensitive. Not that I get why I'm supposed to care, but Piz was making Woe-face through much of the episode because she hadn't even thought about being separated for the summer, she scoffs again when Wallace warns her about breaking Piz's heart like she has NO IDEA what he's talking about, she doesn't think twice about kind of talking bad about Logan to his new girlfriend, she doesn't think twice about admitting to Logan that she kind of talked bad about him to Parker, and she totally misses Logan's Woe/Pissed-face when she breezily tells him about it. She brings up the trip to South America and Logan has a "How did YOU hear about that already/why are you talking to my girlfriend/I thought you were my friend/Oh great what did you say" reaction that she's completely oblivious to. It's a theme. |
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