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rowanceleste	Re: Episode 3x19	#81	[-]
Posts: 166 (02/24/07 23:11:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* I doubt it because she's not in 20. RT said she had two eps in the final five and she's in 17 and 18, I believe. That's her two. So it actually makes sense that she's in Denver by 19 which explains her absence. But again, if she is and since she and Logan are still dating (I HATE THIS!), it again decreases HUGELY the possibility of them breaking up because she's not there. We're all assuming she's in Denver, but it's also possible that she's just in her dorm, working on a paper or studying for finals, etc, but taking a quick break, while Logan is at the Grand. It doesn't actually make sense for Parker to be in Denver before final exams, unless she suddenly has some sort of family emergency and I don't think they can throw that in there without addressing it and why would they waste time on that when it's easy enough to explain that Parker and Logan actually talk on the phone sometimes and they're not actually conjoined at the hip? Logan and Veronica also talked on the phone, even when they were both in Neptune.
SlayerVixen	Re: Episode 3x19	#82	[-]
Posts: 620 (02/25/07 04:54:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Another thing I don't want to see, I might sound like a bitch for this, is Logan 'saving' Veronica again he's done it so many times and yet thats still not good enough for her and it'd make me sick to my stomach if he did it again only for her to reject him again. I just don't see how RT could have whatever happens in episode 19 then have a believable and rewarding reunion by 20. I just don't see how he could do it, I'd feel cheated if truth be told. I get the feeling that we're going to have to live with the fact that this show COULD possibly end with our ship not together and we may never get the chance to see them together again. That actually scares me, all the wasted opportunities angers me too. Sorry to sound a negative nelly.
KathrineMerteuil	Re: Episode 3x19	#83	[-]
Posts: 150 (02/25/07 13:01:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* I just don't see how RT could have whatever happens in episode 19 then have a believable and rewarding reunion by 20. I just don't see how he could do it, I'd feel cheated if truth be told. I'd feel more cheated (&hurted) if they ended up with other people. Forced/rushed/unearned LoVe reunion Vs Logan+Parker & Veronica+Piz? The LoVe reunion wins any day of my life. Not that I'm still hoping for it but I would like to at least see V/P and L/P breaking up. crosses fingers
PolarTruckin	Re: Episode 3x19	#84	[-]
Posts: 1737 (02/26/07 02:26:04) A-Dohring Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Okay so various people have confirmed knowledge on TWoP: + Logan DOES lay the OPJ smackdown on Piz (we don't know if he wins but they do get in a physical altercation; I'm assuming he wins for the sake of my sanity). + Logan is not the one who finds out what Piz's secret is in episode 19. Personally, there's been a lot of bizarre speculation about what Piz's secret could be that I find hard to believe. Ranging from him being physically abusive with Veronica (I doubt it would be that extreme) to a spy for the Fitzpatricks going after Keith (which I REALLY don't buy) and I'd kind of hate because it sounds ridiculous, the Fitzpatricks aren't that covert (and that's only one of the reasons it feels ridiculous). I'm glad it's not Logan that finds out the secret because my greatest hope was that it was either Keith or Wallace. If Logan finds out, he'll just look like a jealous guy with ulterior motives if he takes it to Veronica. We know he already is going to look jealous because of the fight (and probably is) but I'd rather not see Veronica get more holier than thou with him than necessary over his behaviour regarding Piz. My personal preference is that it's Keith who finds out Piz's secret (though the speculation regarding Weevil would be cool too). Now that Keith is Sheriff he could theoretically find out information he didn't have access to before. We've been told there are several things in this episode that recall great moments from the previous seasons. One of the best moments to me between Keith and Veronica, concerned Troy. People have already changed their belief that Piz is Duncan Redux to Troy Redux. And you know how it ended with Troy right? Veronica was a nosy brat and tried to get Keith to break up with Rebecca by investigating her past. Keith was childish and retaliated in the same way but when he actually found something really bad, he calmed down. He left a file for Veronica and told her it was her decision whether she wanted to open it and find out the truth about her boyfriend or not. If Keith investigated Piz (because we're meant to assume he IS still over protective though I've seen no sign of it this season) and found something, I'd enjoy that far more than if Veronica or Logan found out about it first. My problem is we know Keith seems pretty comfortable with Piz. Veronica and Piz are all snuggly together on the couch in one scene (a couch that has been CLAIMED by epic LoVe moments) with Keith in the room. Something we never saw with Logan/Veronica (unless you count when Veronica was DRUGGED unconscious). If we're going to see Keith all moon-eyed over Piz being the perfect guy for V, I would like to see Keith being shown as having made the wrong choice too. If he found out what's going on with Piz, I'd like the mistake acknowledged in his expression too: Logan was the guy who was perfect (not a perfect person, but perfect for Veronica) and would always be her hero. Not Piz. Plus, I'd also really like Keith to find out because it's always nice to see genuine emotions between father and daughter rather than all those scenes straight out of Green Eggs and HAM. She'd also trust her father more than any other character when it comes to bad news about people she loves/likes/trusts. I still am not convinced Piz will actually be evil so much as seem to be so. I just think about how season one ended with all those hints that Logan was guilty of everything after episode twenty and episode twenty-one. Saying Piz is hiding something feels the same to me. They aren't saying he's lying, they're using terms like 'isn't who he seems' which sounds more positive. But . . .I just don't trust spoilers like that especially when we know nothing about episode twenty. All I know is what I want to happen before we find out if Piz really is a bad guy or not (or has bad traits). There is something about the idea of Keith loving Piz that I hate even more than Veronica making out with Piz. It feels like a betrayal even though I understand completely why Keith wouldn't approve of Logan to the same degree (he WAS a complete bastard for long periods of time to Veronica and that isn't something Keith will ever forget). It's just that they portrayed the Keith/Logan relationship this season like they were tentatively forming a bond. Keith seemed sad when they broke up (twice), he had phone calls with Logan and trusted Logan enough to disclose where Veronica was to him in OVaM even though he had no idea what Logan had done to piss Veronica off. If THAT bond is betrayed by Keith giving approval to this whacky, hyperactive newbie that has never proven himself to Keith (like Logan did in episodes like NP and OVaM). . . . I think my head might EXPLODE in ire. BUT, if Keith gets it wrong and opens his house to Piz and his heart and trusts Veronica's faith in Piz . . . and then finds out the secret himself??? I may just be able to patch my exploded head back together again. As long as Keith realizes he was wrong and that there's only one guy that has earned that complete trust when it comes to his daughter's welfare. Anything that comes up short of that will feel like a betrayal even though rationally I know it's not.
JaneDtwo	Re: Episode 3x19	#85	[-]
Posts: 1290 (02/26/07 09:12:41) A-Dohring Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* There is something about the idea of Keith loving Piz that I hate even more than Veronica making out with Piz. It feels like a betrayal even though I understand completely why Keith wouldn't approve of Logan to the same degree (he WAS a complete bastard for long periods of time to Veronica and that isn't something Keith will ever forget). It's just that they portrayed the Keith/Logan relationship this season like they were tentatively forming a bond. Keith seemed sad when they broke up (twice), he had phone calls with Logan and trusted Logan enough to disclose where Veronica was to him in OVaM even though he had no idea what Logan had done to piss Veronica off. If THAT bond is betrayed by Keith giving approval to this whacky, hyperactive newbie that has never proven himself to Keith (like Logan did in episodes like NP and OVaM). . . . I think my head might EXPLODE in ire. This is bugging me, too. Keith was never all that trusting of Veronica's boyfriends. Even Leo did not meet with his full approval, though it may have been just the age difference that bothered Keith. Donut was accepted, but it may have been because he was there on and off for a long time, and Keith sort of saw him as inevitable. Likewise, more or less harmless, because it's so impossible to take Donut seriously as a threat (regardless of what he may have actually done). Now, Logan had to work for it. But this is how I read this year's progression: Logan saved Veronica's life. Twice to Keith's knowledge. That has got to go a long way toward buying parental acceptance. However unstable Keith may have considered Logan, he knew him to have other qualities as well. And the fact that he knows, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Logan would risk his life to protect his daughter... Well, 'nuff said. And then there's Piz. A nice guy from some armpit of the Univers of a town. With no visible problems. We also know that in ep. 16 (or is it 17?) Piz works a case with Veronica. So there's that. And I am assuming Keith would run some sort of a background check, if very basic one. (That is, I'm hoping he would. But who knows these days with the Lobotomy Keith we've been getting lately). So, while he may outwardly accept Piz as Veronica's new boyfriend, and, also, as someone more or less useful in a case or two, I can't imagine him feeling all a-glow about this new arrival. And if he does, and we see Kieth all happy and welcoming, it'll piss me off more than anything. Piz has earned nothing from Keith. And no, I do not count an investigation or two. Sigh. It's upsetting me, all that interraction. It's even more unwarranted than the whole Piz and Veronica crap.
GutterDaisy	Re: Episode 3x19	#86	[-]
Posts: 56 (02/26/07 09:45:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	All this talk of Viz getting all snuggly around Keith is making me annoyed. Just the thought that Keith will like and accept Piz is making me sad. I also hate the idea that Piz not being who he seems being the reason LoVe may get back together. I want LoVe back together because they both show they want to be. I don't want them back together because Logan saves he life again or Piz turns out bad. I don't external reasons to be the cause for them getting back together. To me that will be repeat of the season 1 and season 2 reunions. Basically I want Veronica to go to Logan because she loves him for him and because he saved her life or Piz didn't turn out to be the nice normal she thought. I am also afraid that if they get back together at the end of episode 20 and we get a fourth season, it will be a repeat of together, not together. I don't think I can take a another season like this one.
sowell23	Re: Episode 3x19	#87	[-]
Posts: 123 (02/26/07 13:02:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	From TWoP: Logan does not dump Parker in episode 19. I'm going to go jump out a window now, thanks.
JaneDtwo	Re: Episode 3x19	#88	[-]
Posts: 1290 (02/26/07 13:25:07) A-Dohring Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Don't jump yet, sowell! :) Maybe they will come to an understanding in 20. She isn't even in the episode 19. If there's dumping to be done, I'd much prefer it to happen face to face, as opposed to Logan doing it on the phone.
sowell23	Re: Episode 3x19	#89	[-]
Posts: 123 (02/26/07 14:05:23) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Oh, me too! I mean we already kind of knew they wouldn't break up in ep 19, since they're dating at the beginning, and Parker's not even in the episode. But it's very disheartening to keep hearing my worst case scenarios confirmed over and over again.
JaneDtwo	Re: Episode 3x19	#90	[-]
Posts: 1290 (02/26/07 14:34:20) A-Dohring Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Mine, too. Which are Piz and V getting all cuddly. Sigh. And yes, the fact that Logan and Parker are still very much together is disheartening as well. Part of me can't wait for the spoilers for episode 20. Just so I can know already and be put out of my misery. And then, there's another part, the one that doesn't want to give up hope. That one is dreading the spoilers.
holly96	Re: Episode 3x19	#91	[-]
Posts: 2763 (02/26/07 15:12:24) VMars\|She's a Keeper Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* We also know that in ep. 16 (or is it 17?) Piz works a case with Veronica. I don't think we know that for sure. We know he scenes with Keith, so we were just assuming. But it could be something else. *Quote:* And if he does, and we see Kieth all happy and welcoming, it'll piss me off more than anything. Piz has earned nothing from Keith. And no, I do not count an investigation or two. I don't want to see Keith love Piz, either, but at the same time I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be at least accepting. Just being nice to Piz doesn't mean much. I think Keith just wants Veronica to be happy, so he's going to support her decisions unless he has some really good reason not to (and there's nothing about Piz that would suggest caution). I think he'll accept Piz just the same as he would any random boyfriend--I doubt he'll be asking when the wedding is or anything like that. I think the difference with Logan was that, first, there's all kinds of history and conflict in the past, and he knows that L/V have had a sort of tumultuous relationship. So while I do think he respects and appreciates how much Logan cares for Veronica and how willing he is to protect her, and I do think he has come to actually like Logan much more than he used to, I also think Logan makes him sort of nervous--not because he thinks he's bad for Veronica, just because he knows the potential of real heartbreak for Veronica when it comes to Logan, simply because of their history and how much she feels for him. And, conversely, the real potential for it to become something much deeper, and I think that also makes Keith a little nervous, in the way that dads get nervous about losing their daughters to a boy. So I don't think Keith liking or at least accepting Piz means Keith is glad to see Logan go or anything like that. Just that Piz is a normal guy, so he's not going to be any more wary of him than he would be some other random guy Veronica were to bring home. That being said, I too, don't want Piz and Keith to get all chummy. A normal degree of respect and acceptance is fine. *Quote:* And yes, the fact that Logan and Parker are still very much together is disheartening as well. To be fair, the reason we know Logan doesn't dump Parker in episode 19 is that someone saw the script. We still don't know anything about how their relationship plays out in previous episodes. I know them making plans for the summer makes it sound more serious than not, but really we have no way of knowing exactly what their relationship is like. *Quote:* Part of me can't wait for the spoilers for episode 20. Just so I can know already and be put out of my misery. And then, there's another part, the one that doesn't want to give up hope. That one is dreading the spoilers. That's how I feel, too. I need to know spoilers for episode 20, but at the same time I'm scared. I'm also worried that we won't really get any at all. I think we all got really lucky to get what we did for 19. I'm worried episode 20 will be more like what we have for 16-18: vague dribs and drabs here and there, but nothing enough to really know exactly what's going on. We'll probably have to wait for the episode descriptions, and even those can be incomplete and misleading.
natyanayaki	Re: Episode 3x19	#92	[-]
Posts: 12 (02/26/07 22:53:24) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* I just don't see how RT could have whatever happens in episode 19 then have a believable and rewarding reunion by 20. I just don't see how he could do it, I'd feel cheated if truth be told. That's how I'd feel about most couples, but I feel it'll work for LoVe, because I think that they both still love each other, and the two of them have gone through so much, that nobody else could really compare at this point (not even Duncan in my opinion). The closest two would probably be Wallace or Weevil, but they make good friends, not lovers.
JaneDtwo	Re: Episode 3x19	#93	[-]
Posts: 1290 (02/26/07 23:15:54) A-Dohring Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* That's how I'd feel about most couples, but I feel it'll work for LoVe, because I think that they both still love each other, and the two of them have gone through so much, that nobody else could really compare at this point (not even Duncan in my opinion). The closest two would probably be Wallace or Weevil, but they make good friends, not lovers. That's an interesting point. They do need to grow up in order to have a functional relationship, but there's no reason they can't be growing up together, rather than apart. At least in TV land. :) Also, we talk about them ending up together as being "earned" or "unearned." But nothing's ever earned much on this show. Things just happen, and there's little follow-through. So, honestly, all I want at this point is for LoVe to reunite or, at the very least, to show signs of wanting to do so. And I will overlook the unearned aspect, because I've done so for the show many times before, and never for such a good cause. :)
epiclove28	Re: Episode 3x19	#94	[-]
Posts: 96 (03/03/07 08:39:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I hope it plays out like this: Logan finds out something bad about Piz, knows it/he would hurt Veronica, and being Logan still loves her. He goes all OPJ on Piz! Now THATS something Id want to see! thanks samwg
lovereuniteorelse	Re: Episode 3x19	#95	[-]
Posts: 2 (03/04/07 06:19:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I think that Piz will take things too far and force himself on Veronica cause he is infatuated with her. I think Weevil (he needs some screen time) will find out somehow and help her but tell Logan but only for Veronica's sake and not to get all buddy buddy. Welcome to the board. Please use correct grammar, including capitalizing names.
witchnga	Re: Episode 3x19	#96	[-]
Posts: 366 (03/04/07 11:50:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	While I wasn't happy with VD 2.0 due to the events in ATtD, I understood (not really) why RT would put them back together. They had history. Piz and Veronica don't, and that's why I can't see Veronica siding with Piz over Logan if she'd been assaulted by Piz. That would serioulsy compromise Veronica's character and make me doubt her sanity. And Weevil wouldn't go to Logan. He'd kick Piz's ass himself. He's loyal like that. It is a good theory, though, because it would fit with Logan's rant that everyone is a sinner. If it weren't for the fact that Veronica is still with Piz after the fight, I'd buy this. Fanfiction... the cure for the bad TV writer. Avatar by ETS
sowell23	Re: Episode 3x19	#97	[-]
Posts: 123 (03/04/07 12:57:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* It is a good theory, though, because it would fit with Logan's rant that everyone is a sinner. If it weren't for the fact that Veronica is still with Piz after the fight, I'd buy this. Do we know for sure that Piz and Veronica are still together after the fight? We know she leaves with Piz after Logan is taunting them earlier in the episode, but did we get a spoiler that she and Piz are still definitely together by the end of 19?
KathrineMerteuil	Re: Episode 3x19	#98	[-]
Posts: 150 (03/04/07 13:11:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The point is that there isn't a spoiler that says that Veronica knows about the secret by the end of 19. Yeah, L/V have a scene after the fight (I'm assuming it'll be near the end of the episode) but we don't know if at that point she already knows about the secret or the brawl. I think we're going to find out how she reacts to all of this just in episode 20.
rowanceleste	Re: Episode 3x19	#99	[-]
Posts: 166 (03/04/07 14:45:25) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* The point is that there isn't a spoiler that says that Veronica knows about the secret by the end of 19. No, we have no confirmation that Veronica knows about the fight by the end of 19. At least nothing that I've seen either here or at TWoP and we have some great people that have recapped and organized all the known spoilers in the Spec thread on TWoP.
epiclove28	Re: Episode 3x19	#100	[-]
Posts: 96 (03/04/07 21:13:48) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Wait a min! What fight? Could someone explain that to me please? Do Piz and Logan fight, or am I just making that up on accident... So Veronica does not know about the secret in 3x19? thanks samwg

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