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sunworshipper |
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Due to the baseball playoffs on Fox, House won't air head-to-head with VM until November.
"Same dren, different planet." |
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Ww1614 |
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I honestly do not see how Piz could possibly be a match for Veronica. Duncan was at least smart and had the benefit of shared history. Veronica and Piz? Just no. She'd be bored with Piz in about 5 seconds.
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Odintsova |
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Okay, I am probably going to be shot. But I kinda like Piz, from what I've seen of him. He looks sweet and cute and I think will be a good guy friend to Wallace and maybe Logan (yeah, I'm not holding my breath either).
I don't think he and Veronica will end up together and if they do it will not be for long. Veronica is a dark person and needs an equally dark person to match her. I agree with the people who say Piz is a decoy. I also think there will be more to him that there seems, think Beaver, only hopefully without the psycho stuff. |
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PolarTruckin |
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I'm sorry but it doesn't matter what every other show is up against to me. That doesn't change the fact our PR sucks ass. I understand why other shows need to be pimped considering what they are up against but VM is a separate entity that also needs to be pimped desperately or it will die.
You should have PR for all of your shows especially when you are a brand spanking new channel mixing two old channels and you want every show to do well. We know that they had at least one ensemble cast shoot but those photos were only really released on the DVD that spoiled episode one and two for reviewers. Where are the rest of the photos from that shoot and the press packets that always come prior to season's starting? Where are the solo and ensemble promos for new fans to familiarise themselves with old characters and not just one new character? Why aren't there the same amount of promos for Parker? What the hell is going on? I am also starting to think we're missing something but I really think that if they are concealling PR promos to keep us in some kind of state of anticipation they are way off base. If there HAVE been shoots and we know there have been the simple question is . . . why aren't the photos being released? It wouldn't cost them anything to release photos they've already had taken, just put them on the web and they'll get passed around very quickly. I know that other shows have worse competition but it's not really the shows that are in trouble and at risk of disappearing that get promoted. It's the shows that are doing well that get the most press. Supernatural was doing really well. Smallville was doing really well. Both have a lot of promos for solo and ensemble cast. I kind of agree with Jennifer that the lack of promos being released is like accepting that VM won't be doing well and there's no point pimping it because it won't help. The reason why Piz is getting the most attention seems to be - despite comments - because they are aiming PR at the old viewers rather than trying to reel new ones in. They want us to like him so they're pimping him. They aren't advertising for newbies who don't know these characters and therefore need to see pictures of Veronica with her boyfriend Logan. Piz is new and therefore we have visual promos of him so that the old viewers know who the new face(s) are. We don't need to be familiarised with Logan, Keith, Wallace, Weevil and Mac. BUT WE DO!! I just think it's really unsettling that no one seems to care about getting word out about the show unless there is some Logan bashing or Piz praising going on. There's so much other stuff to talk about. It's really strange that there has been no visual effort to systematically promote the show and its ensemble cast. RT knows it's crunch time and yet there is hardly any press. It's like RT and crew have said 'come what may', we either get more viewers or we don't. |
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LoVer159 |
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PolarTruckin' , what dvd are you talking about?
Quote: "We know that they had at least one ensemble cast shoot but those photos were only really released on the DVD that spoiled episode one and two for reviewers. " - sorry, I dont know how 2 quote yet. |
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Ww1614 |
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TV critics, who need to watch episodes in advance, received a DVD of the first two episodes, complete with a new promo pic.
Re promo pics of Logan and Veronica: they exist. They are coming. I haven't seen them, but I have heard they are coming out next week. I hope "next week" means Monday, but I don't know for sure. I think/hope the pics are of them together. ETA: The reason they may not be out now is because the publicity people are working with various media outlets on stories, and the media outlets want exclusive access to the photos. |
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LoVer159 |
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Thanks for the reply!! I was wondering how some people were already seeing the new episodes?! Do you think VM Season 3 sounds promising or do you think it will be cancelled after these 13 eps? I hope not, I absolutely love the show and hopefully we can pull in new viewers or at least more regular ones lol.
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deevee |
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After being completely underwhelmed by the character Piz and the actor himself in the preview, I am beginning to think that the spoilers that had Piz first becoming a love interest and then the powers-that-be/RT deciding to not make him a love interest were true. My take on it is that RT did at first intend for Piz to vie for Veronica's affections, but after casting him (maybe he was just the best thing available in their price range), he decided that he wasn't even in the ballpark competing with Logan, and he would have another Duncan on his hands. So my feeling is that Piz, while he may flirt with Veronica and she might flirt some back, will not become a serious suitor, and their playing him up is just to counteract the negative reaction that people had when they brough him on board as "love interest."
That said, I believe that RT may want to still play out that angle of another person entering the picture when the inevitable Logan/Veronica troubles come...and that Piz is a decoy. If this show does well and they up the budget, I could see RT bringing in a heavy hitter to compete with Logan, since that to me is what it would take. And I mean real heavy hitter. Does anyone know whether I'm in the ballpark? Someone mentioned that the suits were responsible for some changes early on in the scripts. Was this one of them? I'd be curious to know. Or should I ask elsewhere? |
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SlayerVixen |
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ITA deevee I think Piz is a decoy and RT is going to bring someone else into the picture. After what people have been saying that past few days I totally believe this.
Although I wonder HOW or WHO could they ever get to compete with Logan? Considering that most of the fandom adore him so damn much. ![]() |
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CatherineBruce |
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*blinkblink*
You know, I'm not sure how I'm going to like this new guy. I'm gonna pretend to not be an L/V shipper for a moment (I know, its hard! I don't think I can do it... So therefor!) Scratch that, I'm gonna set aside any relationship issues that this character may or may not bring (phew! MUCH better!) and concentrate what I've seen of his character so far. First of all, it didn't look like Dorkmeister (er, sorry... Piz. (Why give a guy a nickname that's a cross between candy and urine?)) even locked his car during the alleged five minutes he was away. Now, I don't know his background (for instance, he could be from Smallville, for all I know, where locking your door would come across as rude, or whatever) or anything, but it would seem to me that logic would dictate that one should lock their car door on a college campus. Especially one of that size. Granted, I understand that people make mistakes and whathaveyou, and heaven knows I don't lock my door every single time I go to school (well, good luck to a would-be thief going through my car, because the odds of them finding something other than basic military issue stuff and the type of mess you would expect from a GUY my age,) but I'm being nitpicky because I'm not overly fond of him yet... Second, while Veronica was trying to help him with his case, what did he do? Oggle the girls. Yeah, he's a guy. Supposedly, guys oggle cute girls all the time. But when you're that worried about your stuff, tear your eyes away from the almost-bare boobs for five seconds and give the blonde with a taser your attention! Sheesh. That's my two cents on the clips. ^_^ |
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supafly |
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CatherineBruce, Piz is supposed to be from Portland, OR, which is a place where you want to lock your car doors. I live somewhat close to Portland and its not like a seriously high crime area but it's still a big city and people there know to lock their cars. I totally agree with the Piz seeming dumb statement
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JenniferH |
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I'm thinking now that Piz isn't a decoy and is EXACTLY what Rob Thomas says he is. Why? Because last season we all kept dissecting what Rob was saying about Duncan and coming up with theories, many that ranged around RT was telling us the opposite of it all, but the bottom-line is that he wasn't. Rob Thomas was telling us flat-out the truth as he saw it about Duncan and I see no reason to doubt that he is doing the same thing again.
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deevee |
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I guess my reason for thinking that the powers-that-be and/or RT changed their minds on Piz is that RT may have said a lot of things about him (that he was the opposite of Logan, etc.,) but I don't recall him ever saying he was going to be a love interest. That came from spoilers and KB. My feeling is that even if he intended to do so (make Piz a love interest), either he or the "suits" realized that Piz couldn't cut it. (I mean, one second on the screen and you can see it's no contest.) In hindsight, maybe it wasn't RT changing his mind and he may not have learned his lesson from the Duncan experience, but I'll bet the CW suits did. And it may very well have been the CW higher-ups, not RT, that put an end to Piz as a love interest...
That's why I'm curious as to the changes that were made at the behest of the CW. I would love to know if that was one of them. ETA: I just realized that Chris Lowell is the cheap man's Chris Pratt...I think that's where the show was trying to go and they ended up with a highly mediocre version of Pratt. Which makes me wonder if we'd like the character a bit better if Pratt had been cast instead. |
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JenniferH |
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I think you may be right, but RT may have not flat-out said that Piz was a love interest, but he certainly implied it with his "if we got another love interest it would be just like THIS GUY!" from the Ausiello brief interview.
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deevee |
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Hah! I forgot about that interview! But was it before Chris Lowell was cast in the part? I do believe the character was first intended to bring some churn to V/L.
I think this show has been real hit or miss in casting supporting players and that Chris Lowell is a miss...Tessa Thompson was ok, Ryan Hansen was a find as was Kyle Gallner, but Jessy Schram was a total bust (I hate to be mean, but regional theater is too good for her). Budget is probably the reason. Because love interest or not, think about a Piz (or supporting character) that is played by (mentioned in my previous post) a Chris Pratt, or a Gregory Smith (both from Everwood). But Chris Pratt is on the O.C. this year. I'll bet he's making a lot more money than Chris Lowell on VM. |
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JenniferH |
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Quote:Oh, yeah, it was after they'd been filming already that RT made that comment, I'm fairly certain. But if not, he had definitely been cast already. |
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PolarTruckin |
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I think that if they were going to sneak another character under the radar it would not be more competition for Logan. Piz will be attracted to Veronica from the start, she'll also be attracted (in the same manner as she was attracted to sweet Duncan while still with Logan) but she'll be loyal until Logan is seen to fuck up. There seems to be no such thing as emotional infidelity on this show so the breakup will be Logan's fault completely.
Then she'll be upset and Piz will be there conveniently to comfort her and then two weeks later Logan is history. All I'm saying is, if they were going to sneak someone under the radar who is the real threat to LoVe it's not going to be a guy. My biggest fear is that it's going to be a girl who plays around with Logan, making him a cheater and thus clearing the way in the eyes of the fandom for Veronica to be with someone else. After all the times Veronica has run out on Logan and all the times very large portions on the fandom have taken Logan's side I really don't think they'll make this split Veronica's fault. It'll be the same routine all over again but honestly, if they want Veronica to go out and experience new things with new characters and want to sever her relationship with Logan it has to be his fault. We need to get pissed off at him enough to not want him with her any more. The things is, if that happens, I won't watch the show any more because it is the characters that tie me to my favourite shows and after seeing my favourite character trashed I doubt I'd want to continue watching it. There's been a lot of talk that Piz is a decoy and the CW put the kebosh on plans for him to be a LoVe interest. I seriously doubt that with the amount of PR they have been putting behind his character. There has been no evidence that CW suits have stepped in and said "What about Logan? Promote the shit out of that guy because we LOVE the Logan/Veronica relationship." The only publicity LoVe has received this year has been negative which does not correspond with the theory that the CW execs pushed for LoVe. That disappoints me because when we think about last year when Veronica was with Duncan at the start of the season nobody was saying it was a poor relationship choice considering the not-rape history. RT tried to sell it to us and it's very worrying that now - in a similar situation - nobody is selling LoVe. They don't want the relationship to work or for us to want it to work. I know that they probably think they don't need to sell LoVe or Logan but it would make fans happy to see them promoted together as it's never been done before and your promotions are meant to paint a picture of where the season is heading. So far it seems we're rushing headlong into a brick wall called Piz. They think we have double standards about Logan's character but they have double standards too. Strange double standards about loathing a character because the fans adore him and they'd rather make us like someone we're predisposed to hate. RT wanted us to give the VD relationship a chance but now it's like he's saying he doesn't want us - or himself - to give the LoVe relationship a chance in the same situation. When you're plugging a relationship (Piz/Veronica) that has not even occurred on screen before with a girl who is with someone else you are NOT sending the message that Veronica and Logan are going to be together or that we should even bother hoping for them. If Logan is the secondary thought (again) then the message is sent that Piz will come between them no matter how much RT says it will be internal issues. Even Jason is selling Piz and trashing Logan. The whole VM train is selling Piz in the same way they sold Duncan. I'm just starting to think that I'm going to be really disappointed in how this relationship breakdown comes about and the direction of season three after that point. |
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SeluciaV |
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OK, let's start with the clips. Veronica looks fab and seems to be on her game. Wallace, ditto. Piz? Looks like amateur night compared to those two. He's not all that cute and he doesn't appear to have any real acting chops at all. And I'm hoping that this first scene sets it up so that they can't use him as a romantic foil b/c Veronica clearly already thinks he's a simple, stupid, shallow boy. Plus, as others have noted, there is no way he can hold his own against Logan. I mean, Blannah couldn't hold a candle to Veronica and that was OK b/c she wasn't meant to. It was always clear where Logan's heart really was and that Hannah really wasn't competition. I'm hoping that TPTB are smart enough to recognize that in the same way, trying to put Piz between Veronica and Logan would be a senseless act.
That having been said......Belinda, you are scaring me big time because your arguments are so logical and well, sadly there is evidence to support them. (I mean JD pimping Piz? WTF is up with that?!?!) I don't want to get into a diatribe about what is wrong with the show and it's creator again, but my excitement for S3 is warring with my dread that the fans are being set up for another big fall - one as equally inexplicable as V/D. I. Just. Don't. Get. It. |
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Shiny4LoVe |
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Polar Truckin I always respect what you have to say and totally get where youre coming from. I certainly would hate for them to cause the break between V & L by making Logan a cheater because Logan just wouldnt do that.
On the other hand, I do want Piz to be a decoy but the real new love interest to be for Logan. I want a really nice, cute, intelligent girl an equal to both L & V to come along. I want her to befriend them both and I want V to FUCK up (pardon my language). I want Logan to stand up for himself and realise that he is worth more than just being V's lap dog and for V to get a cold hard slap in the face. I want Logan to realise that there are people/woman out there who want him because he is a damn great catch not just the fall guy. Of course, ultimately I really want L & V together in a happy, sexy, fun, loving relationship but I doubt that is going to happen. Therefore, if they are going to screw us LoVe fans over, I at least want V to be at fault for once and Logan to be strong. ![]() Honestly, how much easier would your life be if you were indifferent to me? |
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CatherineBruce |
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Okay, I didn't read every reply (either before or after my post) because I get easily distracted by shiny objects, and I'm in the college library with about half an hour before I gotta get to class... Soooo! I apologize if I repeat anything ^_^
First off though, supafly, dang nabbit! A part of me was hoping that he was just naive, but now I like him less... (Can I say 'lesser' and still keep my cool points?) Shiny4LoVe, I actually agree with you... I think if it would be anyone's fault the next time they break up (I'm still on the fence about the first breakup, though,) then chances are high, in the characterization that I've seen, that it would be Veronica's doing. Logan knows he loves her, wouldn't knowingly do anything to jeapardize their relationship (heck, I bet if she had TOLD him to calm down that summer or she'd split, he would have! ...Water under the bridge there, Catherine...) because he knows what its like without her. (Ahh, I love sounding corny when I write!) And yeah, eventually he'll probably get tired of her sh...tuff and say 'You know kiddo, enough's enough. Let's just take a break.' (I'm probably one of the few strong supporters of the Logan/Veronica relationship that actually LIKED Logan/Hannah (I could totally be wrong here, because I didn't read many people's reaction towards her) because while he may not have loved her as he did Veronica, she gave him at least two things that his other relationships had lacked. Trust and forgiveness. She TRUSTED him, wasn't constantly accusing him or wrongs he didn't commit, and then, when she didn't have to at all and would have totally been in the right if she hadn't, she forgave him for using her. (Although really, if a guy gave me THOSE eyes, I would probably forgive him almost anything save rape!) She was there at a time when he needed that.) ...Sorry to go off on a tangent there... ^_^ ANYhoodles, I DO want to see Logan and Veronica together in the end of all of this, but if they DO break up for awhile, then a girl like Shiny4LoVe suggested would do him wonders. ...I'm just totally off topic here, aint I? Erm... Piz Bad! Logan Good! (And oh yeah! Looks up a picture of that Criss Pratt guy. Not my cup of tea, mind you, but oodles times nummier!) |
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