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greatest of these is LoVe |
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So, if you look at the preview for 3.14, there's the overly perky Veronica saying, "I do, I do" when someone (I first assumed Keith) asks "who wants out of jail?" Well, I watched it again, and the silhouette definately has hair. Is it too much to hope that it's Logan? I know, I'm grasping at straws...but perhaps this is how they start to be friends again?
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samwg |
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I'm pretty sure that's Cliff. Sounds like him to me.
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greatest of these is LoVe |
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You are totally right. You can't blame a girl for dreaming, can you?
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que penguins |
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315: Papa's Cabin opening is now up at Veoh!
No L/V or Parker or Logan. Just Keith, Mindy, Landry, and Veronica. |
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Roxy999 |
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I'm thinking that Landry isn't the killer, especially now that all this emphasis is put on him.
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samwg |
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I doubt he's the killer, but he is seriously freaking me out with all his inexplicable Veronica!love. Is this seriously all because she got online and figured out his fake mystery the first day of class? Gimme a break.
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JaneDtwo |
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Quote: Indeed. This is supposed to be a brilliant guy. Are they seriously trying to tell us he is that impressed with Veronica? Sigh. Why do I keep expecting things to make sense on the show? |
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CrazyVeronica |
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It is awesome that the sleeve of Veronica's t-shirt reads "LOVE." Coincidence? Probably. But, I choose to believe not!
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samwg |
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Opening scene for 3.16 is up.
"rrrrrrrrrrrrrocks through our window" Sorry, is she for real? Lordy, those "action" scenes were cheesy. Bad show! For those boycotting all but Logan scenes, he's in the opening scene. He buys Veronica a cup of coffee and invites her to Parker's party. Just like Aaron! And Veronica |
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DramastarOF06 |
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OMG
But seriously folks, Logan looked good. |
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PolarTruckin |
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Quote: OMG!!! Are you serious Shannon??? Freakin throw the coffee in her face, Logan! Seriously, why bother? Why bother even trying when this is what he gets in return? Freakinhell. "I retract my invitation, Veronica, you can't come to the party because you're such a buzz kill you put hard rocking librarians to shame." Cough. What a NAG. lol Sorry, no I'm over it, really. I'm also glad I didn't watch that if that's what it is. |
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JenniferH |
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Well, to be fair, this scene would take place in terms of the show after the last thing we saw which was them being "friends" and getting along. Veronica hasn't done anything to him since we last saw them (him asking her if she was cool with him dating Parker and her very lamely giving a "thumbs-up.") So, they are in a "good" place, comparatively. Honestly, based on what we've seen so far and disregarding spoilers, if anyone is being a little not the bestest ex ever, it would be Logan: Inviting his EX-girlfriend (with whom he's shares an extremely tumultuous relationship) to his CURRENT girlfriend's party.
Sigh, and no, I haven't watched it either. I'm trying very, very, very hard to resist, because unlike some of you, I'm still soooooo hooked on Logan/Veronica, JD/KB chemistry -- yes, I still think it's there despite KB's attempts to kill it, and I just want to watch them because, for me, it's still SO there. Sigh. |
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PolarTruckin |
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Well, to be fair to Logan, since they both decided they were going to ignore the awkwardness and be friends he had to invite her to Parker's birthday party. They decided to be mature, she said 'good luck!', he accepted that and moved on. I think he was obligated to ask her because she is Parker's friend, she's also his friend, and they're all pretending that it's cool. Now, he probably wouldn't expect her to actually go but I think she would be more insulted if he snubbed her and didn't give her the chance.
Plus, Parker's central concern in resisting going out with Logan was her friendship with Veronica. He had to invite Veronica. If Veronica was snubbed than that defeats the whole purpose of "asking for permission" in the first place because clearly the friendship between them has been damaged if she can't even go to Parker's b'day party. It's still an awkward position and I'd feel sorry for her . . IF SHE STOPPED FREAKIN INSULTING LOGAN'S INTELLIGENCE. Grrrr. Serious pet hate of mine. |
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samwg |
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Yeahbut. They're both in on the 'insulting Logan's intelligence' gig. All of Neptune is really. I am so damn tired of hearing people ask about Logan's attendance. It's freaking ridiculous, right? I'm going to keep a tally. It will get me through the season. If there were a Veronica Mars drinking game, this would need to be added to the list.
FWIW, I think Logan inviting V to the party was pretty much equivalent to him throwing the coffee in her face as far as Veronica was concerned. She looked livid. Heres the script if you're in the 'curious but not watching' camp. (Its just as well that you're skipping it Jennifer, since KB is asleep and making cranky!face through the whole thing) Veronicas standing in the back of a long line for coffee. Logans at the front, orders a cup, looks back and sees her, orders another cup, and takes it over to her. Logan: I hate to think of you uncaffeinated. Veronica: Danka. 8 AM Shouldnt you be in a wet suit somewhere? Logan: Early Poly Sci Veronica: And youre actually going? Logan: Yeah I even bought this pen that accents text in neon colors. Veronica: (Faux gasps) A highlighter! Logan: Lots of advances since the last time I buckled down. (ME: HARDYHARHAR) How about you? Veronica: Uh, Violence in Early Adolescence. Logan: Ah. (JDoh makes a cute face) You need me to autograph a textbook? (Ouch. JD mumbled that line, I just got it.) Veronica: Thanks, but So, what do I owe you for the Joe? Logan: Just pay it forward. Hey, by the way Im throwing a birthday party for Parker this weekend. Ive been studying up, I watched my Super Sweet Sixteen. Which reminds me, you dont know where Id get a dozen eunuchs, do you? (By this point, Veronica looks pissed.) Veronica: Not off hand, I could make some calls. Logan: Well, if youre not busy, I know shed really like you to be there. We both would. Think about it. So, yeah. It's really the "we both would" line that kills me dead in it's cruel, cruel, hilarity. AWKward. I can't tell if he's doing it on purpose or if he's really that clueless, but it's hilarious. I kind of want him to be doing it on purpose, but no one else has been capable of interpretting people's emotions this season. Why should Logan be any different? |
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PolarTruckin |
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I know. It's beating a dead horse into some kind of patte to continue to bring up the fact Logan doesn't go to class unless they plan to have him flunk out of Hearst in episode twenty too. Just to make sure we have absolutely NOTHING to be satisfied about in terms of where his character is.
It's absolutely normal to cut class in college. Especially lectures where, in my experience, attendance is not taken unlike in smaller tutorials (though that could be completely different in the US). The fact that's all they have Veronica talk to him about unless she's breaking up with him is so freakin' annoying. How many times has she brought it up now? God, she's such a nag and it's focusing on this tiny flaw that means NOTHING in the scheme of things. Really. It means nothing. Logan shouldn't have bothered with the coffee, clearly the buzz she needs in the morning is to insult Logan - once she's got that over with everything is smooth sailing. But this is not the type of banter we used to have. Because it's such a petty thing to bitch about and it's always the same thing. It's like she needs to bitch about something but that's all she can come up with and she sounds like a fool when she does it. And the fact Logan is so used to it that he just plays along like it's a normal part of their banter is truly sad. |
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JenniferH |
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Well, again, to be fair ... in one of the few L/P scenes, she seemed to be hinting towards class-attendance-nagging too, therefore, this is not something I'm going to bitch at Veronica about. Clearly, this is something the writers have decided is going to be (one of) Logan's proof-that-he's-a-bad-boy gimmicks this season.
Sorry, guys, I love Logan, but I still love Logan and Veronica first. I don't want him with Parker or anyone else. I don't want him happy with anyone but Veronica and I'm going to look for every silver lining until there's nothing but black left. I just love THEM -- Logan AND Veronica -- too much to not. |
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PolarTruckin |
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Actually the subject matter was very different in terms of class in the L/P scene. Parker brought it up because Logan only had one class that day and if he didn't go that meant he only went to Hearst to meet her for lunch. That's why she clarified that. She didn't have the tone: "You're a dumbass for never going to class."
I'd love Logan/Veronica if the writers gave me something to love. Instead it's like they're playing spot a Logan flaw in every LV scene. I'd like to see him give some of that snark back if he's going to be the target. In this scene he bought her coffee, invited her to a party (that he couldn't not invite her too without being more insulting) and insulted himself to indulge her (on TWO subjects: his violence and his studying habits). Remember the days when he used to call her names right back? Why couldn't we at least get him saying, "I do so miss you being my own personal hall monitor." It's no fun when the snark is one sided and he just takes it or bashes himself. Remember when it used to be sparkly because he bashed her right back? |
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JenniferH |
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I'm sorry inviting his ex to his current girlfriend's party all under the guise of well, we're friends now (when judging from their last scene, she's not comfortable with it -- clearly, Logan has decided to not care whether she is or not) was Logan's way of getting under HER skin.
And you may have seen the P/L scene that way, but I saw it differently. To me, it was an comparison to the L/V relationship which went back to the class discussion, therefore I did see that coming. We'll agree to disagree. At this point, I don't think we'll ever agree on L/V because while I'd like good writing and all that (God, would I!), I still like just looking at them, watching them interact. I can't help it. I can still see stuffs there and while I have issues with Bell's acting choices a lot, for the most part I think she's played the subtext in the L/V scenes about a zillion times better than she did in S2. |
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WowSugarpuss |
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I hardly saw that scene as Veronica 'nagging', because you can't nag someone for actually doing something. Its like the equivalent of a woman feigning surprise when she catches her boyfriend actually doing some housework, lol. A degree of nagging I suppose, but the shock is still justified.
I have a friend who skips class all the time, so when I actually see her around I always joke about forgetting what she looked like in front of a book. It's not exactly an insult when it's true. Logan rarely does go to class, so I don't see anything wrong with joking about it when he does. I don't see it being done in a nasty way, it was the kind of thing I'd say to my friend and I'm not trying to tell her she's evil. As for Logan inviting her to the party.. I don't have a problem with him asking her, just the way he asked. "I know she'd really like you to be there. We both would." sounds like they're getting married and inviting her to the wedding. Obviously he's got to say that Parker wants her to go because she is her friend, but I would have preferred if he'd said "I'd like you to be there too". Just seems less.. weird. Can't blame Veronica for feeling uncomfortable with the situation because she's in a pretty lose-lose situation now. She's not going to be thrilled at having to sit and watch L/P be snuggly for an entire evening, but she can't not go and let Parker down. I hope we actually get a VO with her trying to decide, or talking to Mac about it or something. I thought KB played the scene really well, she looked happy to be talking to him but with the obvious awkwardness and 8:30am tiredness, then the smile disappeared pretty quickly when he mentioned Parker, and with the awkward laugh when she responded to his eunuch comment. But Jason really needs to start speaking properly. His facial expressions were all adorable and I just wanted to stroke him because he looked so cute, but every sentence he spoke came out as one long mumble and I had to rewind about 10 times to understand what he said. |
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PolarTruckin |
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I say it's nagging because they have her say it so many times that it begins to look like she won't let it go. It's the line that doesn't end and I wish they'd put something fresh in their dialogue rather than having her pick at him for the same thing all season even when they're broken up. If this was the first time she did it I would take it as friendly ribbing (because you're right, I used to get teased like that too and wouldn't get offended), but I have to ask why they are having everyone bring it up. It makes me wonder if they are going to have him fail or come to some decision to apply himself. When Logan goes to class he gets presented like he's a flake (such as in President Evil when he was slow to turn up and wasn't there to protect V due to class or Wichita Linebacker when he couldn't go to the art show) and more often than not it's brought up that he's flaking on class every other episode. I'm just sick of hearing about it at this point because it's not that big a deal. We should have had one mention, two at most to establish Logan is a flake, but the sheer number of references is tiresome to me.
They've been ridiculously consistent about bringing it up considering the more important issues we'd like to hear about that don't get mentioned at all e.g. Aaron, Cassidy, Logan's money (is he still bleeding money too fast??) and other dropped issues. It takes up a few seconds of air time that could have been used to say something new and it annoys me because it's making me paranoid that they're going to have him fail or something. Seriously, if they subtracted the time it took to say obvious dialogue that's already been affirmed, I bet they could fit in at least one character issue that's been thus far ignored. ETA I agree on your thoughts about Jason's diction though. He should consider getting a coach to help him with his projection, especially since he does like taking acting classes so it's just another way of improving his craft. I actually find the mumbling cute occasionally but it won't do him any favours in his career and it does make it hard to stay in a scene when you're straining to understand him. I think he mumbles badly more when he's with KB. It's not because of her, it's just he tends to be more shmoopy/faux-bashful/shy when he's with her. When he's opening a can of whoopass he doesn't tend to mumble that much, I've notice, he enunciates much clearer to get that bite (though I do like the sardonic, low, murmured attacks too). Maybe that's yet another reason why there was more "energy" in his s1/s2 scenes and especially when he's with Weevil - it's much easier to understand him during angry scenes than loving ones. |
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