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katrina |
Re: But Lloyd Dobler won't work with Veronica-she's hardly | ||
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I'm glad! It was kind of theraputic for me, too. I felt like I got to get rid of some of the bad ju-ju (shameless GA reference)I had about Piz and I can laugh about it.
Kat :)
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sunworshipper |
Re: KB strikes again! | ||
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TV Guide: We hear that Veronica gets a new love this year. Do dish.
Bell: I don't see how she couldn't! [Arrgh!] But they haven't told me a thing. [Yea!] Thank God that KB is such a great actress that she plays whatever they write for her, no matter her own feelings. But they can be hell on the long-term subtext. I know there is some disagreement on the subtext of Veronica's feelings for Logan last season when they weren't together. But I'm guessing that KB will be playing the subtext that Veronica really likes (really really likes!) Piz. Just in case her hopes for a new love interest come true. "Same dren, different planet." |
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JenniferH |
Re: KB strikes again! | ||
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Oh, I totally expect to see KB playing the V/Piz scenes all moony-eyes and happy/smiley-faced. And remember, the first mystery is Veronica helping Piz (slight non-LoVe spoiler)find his guitar (end sp) and he's already mooning over her so it will be from episode one!
Honestly, I'm not looking forward to the season anymore. Techincally, LoVe will be together, but KB will be playing her scenes with Piz with subtext left and right and probably (considering her feelings on the subject) withdrawn from Logan, so I don't think we're gonna even get one episode of her truly happy with Logan. Certainly no "my adorable and honest boyfriend!" attitude. Blechh!! |
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Ww1614 |
Re: KB strikes again! | ||
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KB's one weakness as an actress is that she doesn't play those moony-eyed scenes very well. She's better when she has a little edge. So I am not worried about Piz at all.
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PolarTruckin |
Re: KB strikes again! | ||
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Yeah, I'm really worried LoVe is going to be poisoned from the inside and it will be kicked puppy syndrome all over again. Jason will play absolute adoration for Veronica and KB will continue to play Veronica withdrawn from Logan (like she has always done) - nothing will change and it will only seem worse now that they're in a real relationship. The company slogan will continue to be that the person with his heart open and trusting and devoted is the one to blame for all the problems in the relationship and the one that's heart is closed and distrustful and scared is the one who deserves more. It's not a healthy relationship because it's always been imbalanced. I had hoped that this imbalance would be redressed this season, that Veronica would start to see him as her first rather than her replacement, that she would love him just as much but with every interview with every actor that hope is starting to fade. They won't break from formula and I think by the end of next season I'll be too heartbroken to want to inflict the LoVe ship on Logan's damaged heart again.
I liked that KB was a little withdrawn in season one because she needed to be in order for her distrust of him to be authentic. I believed that she would accuse Logan of all the evils in the world at the time because she was unsure and scared and she hadn't been so badly wrong about his nature yet. When she was wrong, I really expected her to realise that he wasn't evil, that he wasn't responsible for everything bad in her life and that she could trust him. That has never happened. I thought season two would further develop the relationship but instead the writers had them regress. And the end of the season? More attention has been paid to his relationship with Kendall than his heroics. Veronica taking him back is being perceived as a grateful reacton to being rescued rather than deep affection - which is just like when she got back together with him at the end of season one because she'd been wrong and he'd been beaten up because of things she said. Why can't she ever CHOOSE him? Why don't they ever want her to? Why would season three be any different to the formula? Especially if the actors who are responsible for a scenes subtext feel that Logan doesn't deserve Veronica. Utter bullshit. Also, with the amount of times KB has been saying Logan cheated on her (which he did NOT do in S2) I'm starting to feel more and more that they will have him cheat on her in S3. It feels like foreshadowing, they've set up Piz to be the nice guy that comforts her after her jackass boyfriend breaks her heart (as if she ever let him completely inside it). I just won't buy it, I just won't believe Logan would do it if she didn't break his heart first. He acts like that when he's hurt not on a whim. He cheated on Lilly when she was jerking him around and cheating on him too. We know he uses sex as a weapon, but he has never shown a sign of wanting to cheat on Veronica when he's with her - he'll try and fuck her out of his system when she's not there but that is by no means cheating. He even stayed with her over the summer and didn't pressure her for sex. Considering the relationship he jumped into after that it should be OBVIOUS he really cares for her and it wasn't about sex to him. He can get sex easily when he wants it. But they keep banging the 'cheating' drum like they want us to agree. And if they can't make us agree on the basis of Kendall (because that would just be irrational of us), they can make us agree by having him actually do it. Logan has semi-cheated on Hannah (he was more than willing to sleep with Kendall while he was with her and he maybe were meant to assume he still was). He cheated on Lilly by kissing another girl. He has NEVER cheated on Veronica and I just know they are going to go there. But let's not forget, Veronica has cheated on one of her boyfriends too. She kissed Logan twice while she was with Leo before she dumped him. Am I upset about that? Of course not. Do I get sick of people ignoring the fact she can be as manipulative as Logan? YES! Do I think she can treat people just as badly? Yes. That's why they're perfect for each other. Their vices and strengths match each other. They're a match - both giving as good as they get and it's wrong that Veronica is considered a victim of her affections but Logan is portayed as deserving everything he gets. I'm sick of this self righteous attitude that Logan has an unparalleled darkness that Veronica is so far above. It's not true. If Logan cheats I won't hate him, I'll hate the writers for taking a cheap easy out in sabotaging the most powerful relationship on their show. A lot of people will jump ship if he cheats on her, really cheats on her and it probably won't be because they hate Logan but because the show seems so determined to turn us off their drawcard. They won't just jump ship, they'll jump show. ((| Slightly Askew | My LiveJournal |))
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JenniferH |
Re: KB strikes again! | ||
Quote:The odd thing is that she does WITH Jason. Think of the movin' on scene or the bathroom makeout -- no edge, schmoopy as all heck and still romantic and sexy and wonderful. Hmm ... I think the key words there are "with Jason." Quote:I honestly think it's that she's not an incredibly charismatic actress and thus doesn't have chemistry with very many people. She lucked out with Jason -- she just doesn't seem to get that. I mean, even V and Troy had some good, schmoopy scenes, but she and AA did have some chemistry. Not so much with any other guy. Quote:I'm not worried in that I doubt highly it will even remotely compare to her and Jason's chemistry, but look at Aaron Ashmore, a lot of people (including myself) DID see chemistry with them and DID enjoy those moony scenes. It's just that she didn't have chemistry with Max Greenfield or Teddy Dunn. My hope is that like more often than not, she just doesn't have chemistry with this guy. Because if she does (even at the AA level), those who are against LoVe will rise together and that's just what KB and RT appear to be desperately hoping for. Quote:I honestly expect that Logan will get jealous of Piz and Veronica's "friendship" which will be played by everyone else as Logan being irrational. They'll get into a big fight, Logan will get drunk, either (a) meet up with Hannah back in town -- since RT referenced bringing the actress back despite the audience not liking her, screw the audience, it's what HE wants -- and fall into bed with her or (b) if no Hannah, random female. Veronica will show up at the godawful suite from Hell ready to forgive him (because you know she's the saint) and find him in bed with Hannah or random female. She'll run away crying and upset and boohoo, Logan will be the big bad and who will be there to comfort Veronica? But the wonderful, the adorable, the anti-Logan, the magnificently-named ... PIZ!!!!! And of course Logan will return to asshole mode and Veronica will be a bitch, but while Logan will be called on his asshole-ishness by Veronica, Wallace, Mac, Keith, everyone but Dick in Nepture, as well as Rob, Kristen, Jason, everyone involved behind the scenes at VM, Veronica will not be condemned once for her part in any of this, including her bitchiness because she's justified. Oh and of course, there will be one group of people who cast any blame/frustration on Veronica and that will be the Logan fangirls, LoVe shippers who aren't worth squat as viewers anyway and clearly are blinded by their Logan/LoVe love to know what the hell they're talking about. Blechh. |
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samwg |
Re: KB strikes again! | ||
Quote:I thought about that too, but I remember reading a post S2 finale interview where KB guessed that Logan wouldn't be going to college. She had me all panicked, but now we know that Logan's going to Hearst, so I try not to put much stock into her speculations anymore. Quote:That's what I was thinking. She's awesome when she's playing a more vulnerable scene with Jason, Percy, or Enrico. She does this insane shifty-eye thing in the locker scenes in Hot Dogs and Look Who's Stalking that just kills me. Then she tries to play a similar scene with another male cast member and it just either falls flat (the oversold VD flirtation at Java the Hut in NitW) or is painfully BAD and soap opera-esq (final scene in CCBB, telling Duncan the crash was meant for her). Forget about what the fans want - put Logan and Veroncia together because Jason brings out the best in Kristen's performance. If KB does try to force subtext into the Piz and Veronica scenes, I'll bet anything it's going to be more of the painfully BAD 'GETOFFMYSCREEN FAUX-SCHMOOPY KBELL' variety. DREAD. |
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Ww1614 |
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Well, I wonder how she feels now that the first few episodes have filmed. I know there's a scene where Logan seems to feel guilty over Beaver's death, and she tells him it wasn't his fault. I don't know if they follow up on that any more, but she has to acknowledge at some point that there is depth and regret etc. in Logan.
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PolarTruckin |
Re: KB strikes again! | ||
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I haven't heard of her calling him deep yet and he has expressed regret before, he's protected her (in season one and two) and understood all of Veronica's fears enough to let her sort them out in her own time without pressuring her. That to me shows the guy has layers but if Kristen hasn't picked up on that, I doubt anything will change her mind this season.
I mean . . . the guy feels guilty for not saving Cassidy and Cassidy blew up a bus and a plane with no remorse, he would have pushed Veronica off a roof and shot Logan dead. Cassidy wasn't only a killer, he was a sociopath. And Logan STILL feels remorse. That is not an evil guy. Or maybe he feels remorse for letting Dick hassle him so long . . . still not his fault what Dick does and it's not even really Dick's fault because not everyone that gets bullied goes on a murdering spree to stop a secret getting out. The scene sounds interesting though. I'm just hoping we get some balance in their relationship this year before they rip our hearts out. We haven't had a happy balance to the LoVe angst since M.A.D. And that's a LONG time. ((| Slightly Askew | My LiveJournal |))
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White Lines |
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You know I love KB, but her Logan bashing is getting rather annoying. I know Logan's not "perfect" by any means, but he does love Veronica, and has been there for her when she needed him, saved her life, comforted her, he is good to her in a relationship. I just wish she would actually watch the show from time to time, so she didn't sound stupid when talking about LoVe, and a bad PR. IMHO atleast. *Sigh*.
If they do the whole "V dumps Piz for Logan" crap... Then I will sort of hope that it ends soon... Just so we have a better chance of getting LoVe, at the end. I love the show, but I am a bit worried on how LoVe will break up this season. Because they always say Logan "screws it up", when all in all they both screw up. V screwed up reporting him to Sheriff Lamb, without any substantial proof that he was in fact Lilly's killer. I think that's pretty big there. Yes Logan lied about his alibi, but so did the damn Kane family, and she just questioned them, she could've asked Logan questions before she reported him. Logan screwed up over the summer with his reckless behaviour, and I think V should've talked about it with him a bit more. Because it seems like she didn't until the break up. She could've told him how she felt, and I'm sure he would've stopped or listened to her. Logan screwed up by sleeping with Kendall at alterna-prom although I have heard they never slept together, Logan did call but he was passed out when Kendall came over. Logan's not perfect. Not at all, but he is caring to the ones he loves, and Veroncia happens to be one of those people. One of the things I love about LoVe is they challenge eachother, they do express their emotions in front of eachother, and their both edgy. Veronica shouldn't be with some "nice guy" because that's not who she is. That's Pink!Veronica. Veronica needs someone with an edge, and who will push her, but will also be there for her and show her how much he loves her. Logan is that guy. And vice versa goes to Logan. Welcome to the board, but please use paragraph breaks for easier reading. Thanks. ![]() |
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LT |
Re: LoVe Spoiler Central - Relationship spoilers & Disc | ||
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Im with you hon.
Im going to try and adopt the same attitude otherwise it gets too stressful. And I too wonder what makes TPTB think we are going to love Piz because he is the anti-Logan. Do they listen to themselves? We love Logan just the way he is and because of who he is. Why on earth do they think we are going to love the opposite of Logan. There is no logic there at all. ETA: I totally agree! Bare in mind I am still up to season 1 (in Australia) and at this point I'd have to say both Veronica and Logan EQUALLY, is what is keeping me interested in the show. And to be honest, if Logan were no longer to be in the show, I think I wouldnt even be interested in continuing to watch VM. Who knows, maybe KB is somewhat threatened by JD's and Logan's popularity?? Just speculation of course. Please do not double post. Just edit comments into your new post. |
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sweepmeoffmyfeet |
Re: LoVe Spoiler Central - Relationship spoilers & Disc | ||
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I seriously love and is obsessed with Logan and Veronica. I think they are so awesome for eachother. They're really fucked up and what so great about it is that they can help eachother through the "hard times."
What really gets me upset is that Kristen Bell and Rob thomas is.. I don't know the word and can't really explain but it just pisses me off. Logan is NOT the bad guy. Yes he is a jackass but he would never intentially hurt Veronica. It really pisses me off and upsets me is that we already know and predicted what is goin gto happen. Veronica thinks Logan is being a jackass, breaks up with him and moves on with Piz and if Rob dosn't think the show will be picked up next season he'll just bring back LoVe so the viewers will be happy. If there is a season 4 LoVe will be dating and then KA-BAM they break-up. Why? Because Rob and also Kristen dosn't think Logan deserves Veronica. Veronica is JUST as bad as Logan can be at times. She is always running! She always pushes Logan away. I really want to be happy about season 3 coming up, I really want to.. but I just can't be excited about it knowing the there is a potential and most likely will have Piz will be a love interest for Veronica. Can't we have a descent season with LoVe together all the way? I know I'm strethcing a bit, thinking that LoVe can be together a whole season without no problems. I'm okay with problems between their relationship, but I want them to work through them not have Veronica break-up with Logan and moves on so quikly, like she did with Duncan. I just can't stand it knowing that KB talks so bad about Logan. Logan dosn't deserve Veronica? Veronica dosn't deserve Logan. He is to good to her and she keeps crushing him. He dosn't want to get his heart broken again like with his relationship with Lilly. So what are we going to get? Atleast 10 epsidoes with LoVe in it without her neglecting Logan? Well at least I hope so, I lost faith in Rob along time ago. ![]() ANGEL: In two-hundred-forty-three years, I've loved exactly one person. |
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juliana78 |
Re: LoVe Spoiler Central - Relationship spoilers & Disc | ||
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From E! Online Community:
Quote: Veronica Mars Season 3...Slightly Spoilerish Nice! |
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JenniferH |
Re: LoVe Spoiler Central - Relationship spoilers & Disc | ||
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You know I was actually thinking that maybe we'll be lucky, maybe Rob Thomas' definition of "triangle" will remain the same as it was in the first half of S2. You know, the Logan/Veronica/Duncan triangle where Veronica was with Duncan and barely acknowledged Logan and there was close to nothing with the two of them that hinted at actual triangle-ness? So, if Rob still has that same definition, Logan/Veronica will be together and Piz will just, you know, be there.
Nah. We couldn't be that lucky. |
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SlayerVixen |
Re: LoVe Spoiler Central - Relationship spoilers & Disc | ||
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I wish I could believe in that statement Jen but I just don't trust Rob which sounds awful but I believe its best to be prepared. I am however delighted to hear they are still together
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katrina |
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Vixen, I think they are shooting episode 4 this week.
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JenniferH |
Re: LoVe Spoiler Central - Relationship spoilers & Disc | ||
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Yeah, SV. However, if his definition triangle this season becomes one that, you know, everyone else on the planet shares, I don't think it's that big a leap to extrapolate the hypothesis that Rob never actually intended for the Logan/Veronica part of the "triangle" to happen last season. Instead, he probably hoped that viewers would ignore the ickiness of Donut's actions in canon and the popularity of Logan and Veronica and fall for VD's twu wuv! Therefore, he never would have had to do LoVe and TD would have been able to stay on the show.
Of course this is just a hypothesis based upon the supposition that RT's definition of a love triangle will this season match the rest of the universe's ... because Logan is with Veronica this time. Therefore the only way to show viewers that Veronica would be so much better with someone else would be to show her with someone else. Me bitter? Hell yeah! |
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SlayerVixen |
Re: LoVe Spoiler Central - Relationship spoilers & Disc | ||
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If your bitter Jen then so am I cos I totally agree. I'm just gonna wait and see what happens. I do have heard there's an 'incident' in episode 3 or 4 which is supposedly about Veronica getting jealous in some way??
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deevee |
Re: LoVe Spoiler Central - Relationship spoilers & Disc | ||
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I know there's a general feeling out there that RT does not like Logan or L/V...do we know why? It just seems irrational on RT's part to try and do something opposite of what the fandom wants, just because it's opposite or to spite them. My feeling is that maybe RT just doesn't know how to write a triangle that is intriguing and that's really at the heart of the V/D stuff last year, not necessarily that he can't stand Logan. And then KB didn't play her role vs. interaction with Logan with any subtext. I mean, she never looked conflicted. And that's another question--if KB had played her role showing conflicting feelings when she interacted with Logan, would the triangle have somewhat worked?
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katrina |
Re: LoVe Spoiler Central - Relationship spoilers & Disc | ||
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Jealous? Really? How fabulous! That would mean she feels threatened and is concerned she may lose Logan to another gal. This sounds interesting.....
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